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		<title>By: downcastmysoul</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-20386</link>
		<dc:creator>downcastmysoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 06:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m sorry I ever ever got involved in the psychiatric system.  What if I have a serious physical emergency in the future and these docs find I have a &quot;psychiatric&quot; history?  Will they deny me treatment?  I got treated like shit during my adolescent hospitalization, but nothing like this.  The main deal with me was being in a locked ward with kids that had a criminal history and I did not.  Plus, the psychiatrist that ran that ward decided she did not like me.  I thought physical abuse like that only happened in prisons, now.  What if I have a stroke and cannot talk right?  Will I get some damn Haldol while my brain is dying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m sorry I ever ever got involved in the psychiatric system.  What if I have a serious physical emergency in the future and these docs find I have a &#8220;psychiatric&#8221; history?  Will they deny me treatment?  I got treated like shit during my adolescent hospitalization, but nothing like this.  The main deal with me was being in a locked ward with kids that had a criminal history and I did not.  Plus, the psychiatrist that ran that ward decided she did not like me.  I thought physical abuse like that only happened in prisons, now.  What if I have a stroke and cannot talk right?  Will I get some damn Haldol while my brain is dying?</p>
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		<title>By: Acute psychosis in mania and schizophrenia &#171; Beyond Meds</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-6319</link>
		<dc:creator>Acute psychosis in mania and schizophrenia &#171; Beyond Meds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m sure that had I been dealt with with healing love as mentioned in this video instead of with force as I speak of in this post I would have healed and never had to been drugged out of my mind for the next twenty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: giannakali</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-4071</link>
		<dc:creator>giannakali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sloopy,
I unfortunately am never surprised anymore to hear stories such as yours. 

I&#039;m so sorry you suffered so much.

I hope you are happy and healthy now and far far away from anyone who can tell you what you should be thinking/feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sloopy,<br />
I unfortunately am never surprised anymore to hear stories such as yours. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sorry you suffered so much.</p>
<p>I hope you are happy and healthy now and far far away from anyone who can tell you what you should be thinking/feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Sloopy Cowbell</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-4070</link>
		<dc:creator>Sloopy Cowbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gianna!

Sadly, I can identify with much of your story, and the brutality of the mental health system.

I became acutely psychotic about 15 years ago, much aggravated by narcotics. 

In the space of a few months, I managed to be forcibly detained for psychiatric &quot;treatment&quot; in three separate countries - Canada, Ireland and England. What an accolade!

I gained an unenviable insight of those three mental health systems, and how they contrast.

The Canadian system was perhaps the most frightening of all, maybe partly because it was my first involuntary admission.

I was never in any way violent, but nevertheless found myself detained against my will, albeit in a remarkably plush university hospital.

In a prolonged argument with some God-awful shrink, I made it clear that I wasn&#039;t going to take her drugs. As I saw it, I didn&#039;t need them. I was in an emotional crisis, my problems were spiritual in nature.

The psychiatrist begged to differ, and with her patience worn thin, she gestured to her colleagues. 

Within seconds, I found myself knocked to the ground, my face physically rammed into the floor as I was sat on by her team of heavyweight psychiatric staffers.

Then I was literally strait-jacketed for refusing to take their Haldol!

I awoke after what could have been days later in an locked isolation room. My head in a thick fog and my face badly swollen and sore from the grazes and bruising of the manhandling.

Eight days later, they triumphantly declared me fit to leave. Yet I had never felt so ill! 

I staggered out, uncontrollably pissing myself as I left the building. My incontinence, I later realised, was due to an extra hefty dose of Haldol they gave me to help me on my way. 

Some system!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gianna!</p>
<p>Sadly, I can identify with much of your story, and the brutality of the mental health system.</p>
<p>I became acutely psychotic about 15 years ago, much aggravated by narcotics. </p>
<p>In the space of a few months, I managed to be forcibly detained for psychiatric &#8220;treatment&#8221; in three separate countries &#8211; Canada, Ireland and England. What an accolade!</p>
<p>I gained an unenviable insight of those three mental health systems, and how they contrast.</p>
<p>The Canadian system was perhaps the most frightening of all, maybe partly because it was my first involuntary admission.</p>
<p>I was never in any way violent, but nevertheless found myself detained against my will, albeit in a remarkably plush university hospital.</p>
<p>In a prolonged argument with some God-awful shrink, I made it clear that I wasn&#8217;t going to take her drugs. As I saw it, I didn&#8217;t need them. I was in an emotional crisis, my problems were spiritual in nature.</p>
<p>The psychiatrist begged to differ, and with her patience worn thin, she gestured to her colleagues. </p>
<p>Within seconds, I found myself knocked to the ground, my face physically rammed into the floor as I was sat on by her team of heavyweight psychiatric staffers.</p>
<p>Then I was literally strait-jacketed for refusing to take their Haldol!</p>
<p>I awoke after what could have been days later in an locked isolation room. My head in a thick fog and my face badly swollen and sore from the grazes and bruising of the manhandling.</p>
<p>Eight days later, they triumphantly declared me fit to leave. Yet I had never felt so ill! </p>
<p>I staggered out, uncontrollably pissing myself as I left the building. My incontinence, I later realised, was due to an extra hefty dose of Haldol they gave me to help me on my way. </p>
<p>Some system!</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could never imagine this crap happening in the mental health system until I experienced it myself. I am still devastated by my traumatic experiences and am sad to hear that police threw you down the stairs. How dare they! I too was treated like a criminal and forced into restraints and isolation. For years I believed there was nothing I could do to fight back against this forced drugging and even the subtle coercion that my family brainwashed me with. It took me years to be able to get out from the fear that overtook my life and my relationships. I am only now at 47 learning how to be assertive and stand up for myself. I will not keep silent. Thank you so much for your powerful examples and for your courage to speak out. I refuse to no longer be a victim of this mentally ill system. Just recently I spoke out at a local event about stigma and mental health and planted the seeds that we do have choices in recovery. Unfortunately so many at the event are brainwashed into believing the drugs are the only answer and there is nothing else. It is very upsetting that alternatives are not given to people. In Minnesota the forced drug agenda has overtaken nearly every &quot;support&quot; program available and people who want health are very much on their own. ~ Denise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could never imagine this crap happening in the mental health system until I experienced it myself. I am still devastated by my traumatic experiences and am sad to hear that police threw you down the stairs. How dare they! I too was treated like a criminal and forced into restraints and isolation. For years I believed there was nothing I could do to fight back against this forced drugging and even the subtle coercion that my family brainwashed me with. It took me years to be able to get out from the fear that overtook my life and my relationships. I am only now at 47 learning how to be assertive and stand up for myself. I will not keep silent. Thank you so much for your powerful examples and for your courage to speak out. I refuse to no longer be a victim of this mentally ill system. Just recently I spoke out at a local event about stigma and mental health and planted the seeds that we do have choices in recovery. Unfortunately so many at the event are brainwashed into believing the drugs are the only answer and there is nothing else. It is very upsetting that alternatives are not given to people. In Minnesota the forced drug agenda has overtaken nearly every &#8220;support&#8221; program available and people who want health are very much on their own. ~ Denise</p>
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		<title>By: UTgrad</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>UTgrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah the psych techs love their power.  Unfortunately, people will only understand what forced treatment feels like when they end up in a nursing home one day.  Then, they&#039;ll finally understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah the psych techs love their power.  Unfortunately, people will only understand what forced treatment feels like when they end up in a nursing home one day.  Then, they&#8217;ll finally understand.</p>
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		<title>By: giannakali</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>giannakali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once tried to stop the abuse of someone who was being dragged by arms and legs. I followed the mess of people dragging her into the restraint room screaming at them to stop. One man viciously turned to me and directed me to leave or face the same treatment. I did. And I felt sick. That was the only time I tried to stop something. I was too scared that it would be turned onto me.

The psych techs get rabid, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once tried to stop the abuse of someone who was being dragged by arms and legs. I followed the mess of people dragging her into the restraint room screaming at them to stop. One man viciously turned to me and directed me to leave or face the same treatment. I did. And I felt sick. That was the only time I tried to stop something. I was too scared that it would be turned onto me.</p>
<p>The psych techs get rabid, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: thememoryartist</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>thememoryartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UT grad,
I saw staff do the very same thing once to a woman who fell off her chair onto the floor in the dining room during dinner. Something was really wrong and they came and started yelling at her to get up. She couldn&#039;t even move. A nurse and a female tech dragged her by her arms out of the dining room and down the hallway to her room. They didn&#039;t even call a doctor for her.
I remember how numb I was watching that happen, knowing it was wrong, but never saying anything.

I got woken up and dragged down the hall by my legs to a seclusion room and put in restraints and shot with haldol and ativan at another hospital when they saw old blood on a blanket I was sleeping with. They thought I had injured myself again.

Yes, TAC really needs to work to remove the barriers to timely and effective treatment. They can begin by working to stop the force, coercion and violence in the mental health system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UT grad,<br />
I saw staff do the very same thing once to a woman who fell off her chair onto the floor in the dining room during dinner. Something was really wrong and they came and started yelling at her to get up. She couldn&#8217;t even move. A nurse and a female tech dragged her by her arms out of the dining room and down the hallway to her room. They didn&#8217;t even call a doctor for her.<br />
I remember how numb I was watching that happen, knowing it was wrong, but never saying anything.</p>
<p>I got woken up and dragged down the hall by my legs to a seclusion room and put in restraints and shot with haldol and ativan at another hospital when they saw old blood on a blanket I was sleeping with. They thought I had injured myself again.</p>
<p>Yes, TAC really needs to work to remove the barriers to timely and effective treatment. They can begin by working to stop the force, coercion and violence in the mental health system.</p>
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		<title>By: UTgrad</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>UTgrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During an inpatient stay, I experienced the fun of being surrounded and dragged back to my room from the cafeteria.  At the time I was very dizzy.  I didn&#039;t get up when it was time to go (I was afraid I would fall).  The room was spinning.  The doc had taken me off all my old psych meds and put me on all new ones.  I felt horrible.  This one asshole psych tech sat down next to me and started threatening me, and I just sat there.  Then, came the show of force and I was physically dragged back to my room.  I was not threatening myself or anyone else, I was just an inconvenience.  This appears nowhere in my medical records.  What&#039;s the saying?  If you don&#039;t document, it didn&#039;t happen?  I was in patient for depression.  Let&#039;s just say they didn&#039;t exactly help with my depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During an inpatient stay, I experienced the fun of being surrounded and dragged back to my room from the cafeteria.  At the time I was very dizzy.  I didn&#8217;t get up when it was time to go (I was afraid I would fall).  The room was spinning.  The doc had taken me off all my old psych meds and put me on all new ones.  I felt horrible.  This one asshole psych tech sat down next to me and started threatening me, and I just sat there.  Then, came the show of force and I was physically dragged back to my room.  I was not threatening myself or anyone else, I was just an inconvenience.  This appears nowhere in my medical records.  What&#8217;s the saying?  If you don&#8217;t document, it didn&#8217;t happen?  I was in patient for depression.  Let&#8217;s just say they didn&#8217;t exactly help with my depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Ties that bind &#171; Why Can&#8217;t the Past Just Die ?</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>Ties that bind &#171; Why Can&#8217;t the Past Just Die ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] C/S/Xs who advocate against forced and punitive treatment as traumatizing violations of their humanity, now point out that the majority of diagnosed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to post my site again, hope it works!</description>
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		<title>By: markps2</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-794</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent writing of your story Gianna. I hope this inspires others to speak of the horrible treatment they received from psychiatry as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent writing of your story Gianna. I hope this inspires others to speak of the horrible treatment they received from psychiatry as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, stories like these make me so angry.  In all our time in hospitals, I can&#039;t even count how many similar things I&#039;ve witnessed.  In the &quot;quiet rooms&quot; there is, mandated by state law, a piece of paper behind plexiglass that details the rights of  a person who is left in seclusion or put in restraints.  One of the things it says is that S/R shall not be used in place of therapy, treatment, or for the convenience of the staff.

BULLSHIT.  Not only is it done in place of treatment [read: paying attention to, talking with, trying to  understand a person] and for the convenience of staff (who have so many papers to fill out and jokes to tell each other, hanging around the nurses station), there are staff in every hospital who are *keen and excited* to get physical and bind someone to a stationary object.

And cops?  Cops are worse then cons when it comes to getting nasty and abusive if they think you aren&#039;t obeying them quickly enough or &quot;respecting their authoritay.&quot;  They shouldn&#039;t be allowed within twenty feet of people with mental illnesses.  Another schizophrenic man was killed by my city&#039;s finest a few weeks ago.  Why did they have to stomp him so badly he DIED from it?  He wouldn&#039;t do what they said.  You know: get on the ground, hands on your head, blah blah.  He didn&#039;t make any effort to hurt anyone, or even to escape. He just wasn&#039;t where they were, and didn&#039;t fall to and obey.

Wow, I need to shut up now, I&#039;m burning up.

I do need to say this. We, Rose, have been lucky when it comes to punitive measures in psych settings.  I don&#039;t know why, but it plainly was luck.  For the amount of time we&#039;ve spent hospitalized, we have very few episodes like the one you&#039;ve described here on our tally sheet.  I&#039;m grateful.

Zoe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, stories like these make me so angry.  In all our time in hospitals, I can&#8217;t even count how many similar things I&#8217;ve witnessed.  In the &#8220;quiet rooms&#8221; there is, mandated by state law, a piece of paper behind plexiglass that details the rights of  a person who is left in seclusion or put in restraints.  One of the things it says is that S/R shall not be used in place of therapy, treatment, or for the convenience of the staff.</p>
<p>BULLSHIT.  Not only is it done in place of treatment [read: paying attention to, talking with, trying to  understand a person] and for the convenience of staff (who have so many papers to fill out and jokes to tell each other, hanging around the nurses station), there are staff in every hospital who are *keen and excited* to get physical and bind someone to a stationary object.</p>
<p>And cops?  Cops are worse then cons when it comes to getting nasty and abusive if they think you aren&#8217;t obeying them quickly enough or &#8220;respecting their authoritay.&#8221;  They shouldn&#8217;t be allowed within twenty feet of people with mental illnesses.  Another schizophrenic man was killed by my city&#8217;s finest a few weeks ago.  Why did they have to stomp him so badly he DIED from it?  He wouldn&#8217;t do what they said.  You know: get on the ground, hands on your head, blah blah.  He didn&#8217;t make any effort to hurt anyone, or even to escape. He just wasn&#8217;t where they were, and didn&#8217;t fall to and obey.</p>
<p>Wow, I need to shut up now, I&#8217;m burning up.</p>
<p>I do need to say this. We, Rose, have been lucky when it comes to punitive measures in psych settings.  I don&#8217;t know why, but it plainly was luck.  For the amount of time we&#8217;ve spent hospitalized, we have very few episodes like the one you&#8217;ve described here on our tally sheet.  I&#8217;m grateful.</p>
<p>Zoe</p>
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		<title>By: thememoryartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>thememoryartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrie,
Your URL was entered incorrectly, so your link doesn&#039;t click through. Could leave it again? 

Thanks.</description>
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Your URL was entered incorrectly, so your link doesn&#8217;t click through. Could leave it again? </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to feel sorry for myself for the mean things that were said and the mistreatment I received in in-patient psychiatric care. After reading your stories, I feel fortunate. And that, in itself is sad.

I&#039;m trying to develop another way...check out my blog and let me know what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to feel sorry for myself for the mean things that were said and the mistreatment I received in in-patient psychiatric care. After reading your stories, I feel fortunate. And that, in itself is sad.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to develop another way&#8230;check out my blog and let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: flawedplan</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>flawedplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, Gianna, great new look here, thanks for the heads-up. 

I&#039;m sorry you went through that, but glad you know what it did to you.  I agree with your response, compassionate de-escalation can be effective probably in the majority of cases, and should be considered first practice in curing psychotic breaks. What was happening in your scenario reminds me of something Bruno Bettleheim  described in The Art of the Obvious; the cops and orderlies tying you down and screaming in your face, what is that, if not psychosis? It&#039;s such a hall of mirrors, and the identities merge and shimmy, the providers so self-unaware and twisted up in their repressed envy and projection. If only they could identify as human beings with the mad people they see as horrifying Other maybe they wouldn&#039;t take on the identity themselves  and act it out on patients with relish. What they thought you &quot;were&quot; is all in their sick psychology, it&#039;s amazing they don&#039;t see themselves become this thing they hate, and do it to vulnerable unthreatening people, who are not their twisted phantasms.

I personally have never experienced coercive treatment, but I have significant relationships with people who have, and do, and I came real close when I ended up in the regular hospital ER during what I thought was a stroke or heart attack. I couldn&#039;t form words, it was all garbled, so I got the &quot;altered mental state&quot; diagnosis, treated like garbage, no restraints, but they arrested me when I tried to leave. Over the course of 6 hours I was gradually treated with more respect as my cognitive functions came back and I was able to argue for release. Seeing that terrified me, the conditional positive regard, based on nothing more than my emerging ability to talk rationally. That people, doctors and nurses could make that justifiable cause for treating someone with dignity (or not) was so terrifying to see play out. I wonder what will happen to them when they get Alzheimer&#039;s. What goes around....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, Gianna, great new look here, thanks for the heads-up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you went through that, but glad you know what it did to you.  I agree with your response, compassionate de-escalation can be effective probably in the majority of cases, and should be considered first practice in curing psychotic breaks. What was happening in your scenario reminds me of something Bruno Bettleheim  described in The Art of the Obvious; the cops and orderlies tying you down and screaming in your face, what is that, if not psychosis? It&#8217;s such a hall of mirrors, and the identities merge and shimmy, the providers so self-unaware and twisted up in their repressed envy and projection. If only they could identify as human beings with the mad people they see as horrifying Other maybe they wouldn&#8217;t take on the identity themselves  and act it out on patients with relish. What they thought you &#8220;were&#8221; is all in their sick psychology, it&#8217;s amazing they don&#8217;t see themselves become this thing they hate, and do it to vulnerable unthreatening people, who are not their twisted phantasms.</p>
<p>I personally have never experienced coercive treatment, but I have significant relationships with people who have, and do, and I came real close when I ended up in the regular hospital ER during what I thought was a stroke or heart attack. I couldn&#8217;t form words, it was all garbled, so I got the &#8220;altered mental state&#8221; diagnosis, treated like garbage, no restraints, but they arrested me when I tried to leave. Over the course of 6 hours I was gradually treated with more respect as my cognitive functions came back and I was able to argue for release. Seeing that terrified me, the conditional positive regard, based on nothing more than my emerging ability to talk rationally. That people, doctors and nurses could make that justifiable cause for treating someone with dignity (or not) was so terrifying to see play out. I wonder what will happen to them when they get Alzheimer&#8217;s. What goes around&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephany</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i looked up the laws and i know i will be jailed if I take her out of there on my own against court orders. Not that i was thinking about it or anything. what i want for her? a big horse ranch where she can have her dream of horses and dogs and be free to be herself. im glad i know her dreams and paid attention to them, because that helps me fight for her when i can tell her story to professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i looked up the laws and i know i will be jailed if I take her out of there on my own against court orders. Not that i was thinking about it or anything. what i want for her? a big horse ranch where she can have her dream of horses and dogs and be free to be herself. im glad i know her dreams and paid attention to them, because that helps me fight for her when i can tell her story to professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: giannakali</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephany,
I&#039;m so sorry you have to see your daughter in such circumstances. It&#039;s got to be excruciating. I hope with all my heart you find a way to help her escape this nasty trap she is in and that you too find peace in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephany,<br />
I&#8217;m so sorry you have to see your daughter in such circumstances. It&#8217;s got to be excruciating. I hope with all my heart you find a way to help her escape this nasty trap she is in and that you too find peace in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephany</title>
		<link>http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/my-forced-treatment/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gianna, thanks for sharing this. Ive had 2 alarming things happen in the last month. 1. in a medical hospital my daughter was refused treatment for dehydration even though an ER sent her there for it. once the attending doctor [remember she is an admitted patient like you or me]found out she took psych meds, he refused to give her anymore fluids via the IV in her arm, and eventually [long awful story] was roughed up and taken to my car by 2 armed security guards. just a month ago  with me right there. 2. when i went to the court house, and they told me where to find my daughter, i opened the door and walked in to the worst scene --5-6 or more, gurneys with people strapped 4 points and having to search each face to find my daughter&#039;s face. i will leave it at that, and will write more when i can on my blog--but what you went through, it is still happening. thats why im waiving her presence in court as long as she isnt verbally asking to go im going for her, so she wont have that trauma--besides getting wheeled down the middle of the road on a gurney later.

Take care, my heart breaks reading so many stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gianna, thanks for sharing this. Ive had 2 alarming things happen in the last month. 1. in a medical hospital my daughter was refused treatment for dehydration even though an ER sent her there for it. once the attending doctor [remember she is an admitted patient like you or me]found out she took psych meds, he refused to give her anymore fluids via the IV in her arm, and eventually [long awful story] was roughed up and taken to my car by 2 armed security guards. just a month ago  with me right there. 2. when i went to the court house, and they told me where to find my daughter, i opened the door and walked in to the worst scene &#8211;5-6 or more, gurneys with people strapped 4 points and having to search each face to find my daughter&#8217;s face. i will leave it at that, and will write more when i can on my blog&#8211;but what you went through, it is still happening. thats why im waiving her presence in court as long as she isnt verbally asking to go im going for her, so she wont have that trauma&#8211;besides getting wheeled down the middle of the road on a gurney later.</p>
<p>Take care, my heart breaks reading so many stories.</p>
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		<title>By: allotmentjunkies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - love your new blog.

I have your &quot;99.9% of agitated psychosis can be quelled with love&quot; comment in my &#039;copy and paste&#039; too as I read it!! But you all beat me to it - so I will say also - I know and believe it too.  

In the hospitals where I stayed, I saw skillful de-escalation techniques being used by patients, never staff. I was helped and helped others who were teetering close to forced treatment... just by listening, just by being &#039;kind&#039;...

Great post Gianna!
keener</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; love your new blog.</p>
<p>I have your &#8220;99.9% of agitated psychosis can be quelled with love&#8221; comment in my &#8216;copy and paste&#8217; too as I read it!! But you all beat me to it &#8211; so I will say also &#8211; I know and believe it too.  </p>
<p>In the hospitals where I stayed, I saw skillful de-escalation techniques being used by patients, never staff. I was helped and helped others who were teetering close to forced treatment&#8230; just by listening, just by being &#8216;kind&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>Great post Gianna!<br />
keener</p>
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