I agree you are doing a great public service with this site. I set my site up a number of years ago, and I felt all alone–a voice in the wildness battling the drug companies. You site is going places that I was not able to go. Just by passing on research you are planting the seeds for change. I love research. Eventually, the mountain of evidence against mind-dumbing drugs is going to force the world to look at alternative methods. You are an important cog in this coming revolution of thinking.

I like what a comment said:since all suffering comes from not being able to accept what is…when we rage against reality. You don’t have to like it, but if you work on accepting it, you will have some relief.

I’ve had a number of bad experiences with parents, teachers, authority figures, and people in general. I carried the hurt around for many years. Eventually, I came to accept the world and myself as they were. I was taught to always look for the good in situations. My zen professor said that “All things are. They are not inherently good or bad. It is our mind driven for fame, power, etc that causes our suffering.” No, the hurt did not completely disappear. The pain from my past was like a very loud radio in the room. I could hear nothing else. I could not concentrate on anything because of the noise from the radio. Today, the radio is on in my mind, but it is very low–I can still function with it playing. I am not forced to nothing but sit and listen to that same awful music over and over.

In my search for meaning, I found some purpose in life. It did not bring me fame or money, but it gave me peace of mind. You have a purpose. You are helping others. You have helped me. I was burning out trying to help people with their mental illness. You have sparked a fresh enthusiasm in me.

By the way, getting a job, a small, simple job just might help you–something part time and simple. I have held many jobs, but today I’m happy with my hobbies and with a few part time jobs like walking dogs, cleaning up at construction sites, and moving things. When I get done for the day, I can see that I’ve done something. Sometimes, we need to physically move around to change our mental chemistry.

Good luck. I do not mean to tell you what to do. I just offer suggestions from my own experience. What has helped me the most has been people with my same diseases sharing from their experiences. They told me their stories of recovery. They gave me hope. I love to study research, but my real help comes through other people.

Right now I’m eliminating everything and starting over. I’ll look into the Choline when the time is right. Thanks a lot!

You’re an incredible source of information, food for thought and inspiration for so many people. Don’t berate yourself as rage comes out. It too will pass.

You were asking about the massage. I would massage myself from the head down to the feet. The important parts if you are in a hurry is the head, feet and ears. Although no oil is to be put in to the ear canal.

The oil is warmed up. I use circular movements on my joints and long movements on the arms and legs. For my stomach I work in a huge clockwise circle going up as far as befow my ribs.

You dont do it after eating. Wait at least 20 mins before showering. You can use shampoo but not soap as its good to leave some oil on you body.

I just think that its a beautiful way of starting the day. It is a very nurturing practise – it develops a beautiful sense of touch. A very nice way of earthing oneself.

Yes, some B vitamins can indeed cause problems–but I’ve been on B complex for a long time—so it seems strange—however I started taking higher doses of individual B’s so I’ve had the same thought.

I am, however, in the process of doing exactly what you suggested except with ALL my supplements. I cut out everything but the aminos last night and I’m going clean for three days then introducing supplements one at a time every three days. EVERYTHING– not just the B’s.

I want to know what I’m taking is helping and not hindering. Thanks so much for commenting. It’s important that other people know this too.

Oh…my friend, the director of a psych med withdrawal center thinks B-12 is the most likely culprit among B vitamins if that helps any.

I have found that during this weaning I cannot, and I mean CANNOT, take a B Vitamin complex. It makes me edgy, anxious, sleep is scanty, you name it…..I’m not quite sure which B it is that is affecting me but I’ve gone both on and off and have totally keyed it into the fact that it’s the B complex I was taking.

I even tried a “different” B vitamin complex, thinking maybe it was the fillers used. But no, same situation….

The only thing I’ve changed now is that I’m introducing B vitamins one at a time into my system….for instance, I started taking Folic Acid about 6 weeks ago and have been having no problems with it. I’m planning on waiting another few weeks and then maybe trying B-6 after that….

So, all this being said, I just wanted to let you know of my experience with B vitamins in case it helps you at all!

(Oh, and the idea of working with doggies at a shelter sounds wonderful…..)

So much more to say but I may run out of space, I think???

Terri

I’ve had several jobs since I went on disability and they have not worked out. But this is a much less stressful situation I think—as long as I could stay relatively clueless about kill rates—that might really depress me.

anyway, thanks for the suggestion–no shield necessary.

for those of you who don’t get the joke, see here

Duane

Psych drugs in, and psych drugs out…..
Naturals seem to help, and then we’re not sure –

Which ones, which amounts……

Go back to work?
You know, when you’re feeling good – when this is behind you….

You’re gonna do some amazing things (not that you aren’t already) – But, when you really get well…..I’m gettin’ out of the way -

Duane

Stephany,
I do have epstein barr, but was told it’s unclear if it’s active. This was many years ago. What I’ve been told since is that it can be triggered off and on—so yes, yet another variable.

Doe and Sloopy,
both your words are very kind, wise and inspiring.

I want to respond at greater length to everyone, but I’m very tired. Know that all your comments are very much valued.

Just hang in there, and if you cuss and scream when you drop something, that’s F’ing ok!! get it out!

Battle away, honey!

It’s transient trauma, for sure. You’ve cut a lot of meds out in a short space of time, and your body, brain and mind are simultaneously saying “ouch!”

What you recount below got my back up:

He also said something that rather annoyed me. He told me to get a job. I explained to him that I can’t maintain commitments, that I haven’t been able to do this for over a year and he didn’t really get it. It kind of pissed me off.

But there’s the rub – you do work!

You’re a very dedicated voluntary worker who runs an extremely popular online self-help forum for people withdrawing from psych drugs.

And moreover, you don’t charge $500 an hour consultation fees!

Tell him to poke that up his pipette!

Though, I wouldn’t personally ditch his general health advice or his supplements.

He just sounds like a typical quack – frustrated and impatient that his well-intended efforts aren’t showing immediate effects.

Conservative motto of the day: steady as she goes when it comes to any change!

Best,
Sloopy!