My doctor speaks?

2009 July 9
by giannakali

Update: my research obsessed husband just discovered by researching the board this post came from that this is not my doctor. This particular “JM” is a woman. My doctor is a man. Nonetheless, this post has provoked a most interesting comment thread. So I will leave it unchanged.

One of my friends happens to have been mistreated by a doctor in the same practice that my long-time doc who is mostly responsible for the massive cocktail I ended up on. For this reason she knows who he is and lives in the same town he lives in still today. She was wandering through some online posts in a local chat group for psychiatric costumers and came across the below question by someone who is having gross side-effects from the psychiatric drugs that have destroyed so many of our lives. It seems it’s my doctor who responded to this person. His initials are the same and we’re dealing with the same city.

Now everyone can see what I was dealing with. It was devastating for me to read this because I was under what is probably the very misguided idea that my emails to him in which I share my story and my blog might influence him.

This note in response to this poor suffering person shows just how profound his ignorance, callousness and insensitivity was three and a half years ago. I suppose I can hope I’ve made some sort of impact since then. But the likelihood is slim. And now I feel sickened and saddened and wonder if my secrets are even safe with him. He very likely has dismissed me as someoneĀ  with anosognosia–a manufactured diagnosis to put people who question psychiatric diagnosis in their place. The definition being: impaired awareness of illness (anosognosia) is a major problem because it is the single largest reason why individuals with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder do not take their medications.

Convenient little diagnosis, huh? The Treatment Advocacy Center claims they can see this “brain damage” in scans. What a load of bullshit propaganda. The cure of course is forced medication which can improve our poor insight.

What a crock of shit, huh? We’d rather not be poisoned by toxic meds so that makes us even sicker than our counterparts who are willing to take them.

Here is the exchange in the email forum.

The “patient” writes:

Not liking the meds for Bipolar II
Sept 2005

I was diagnosed with having Bipolar II a few months ago. Since then I’ve been on Depakote ER and Celexa. I have had it with the side effects that these meds are causing! I’ve also tried Wellbutrin and Topamax both of which I was allergic too! I talked to my Nurse at Kaiser and told her I’ve had enough and want to get off them and try a natural approach, of course she was skeptical about the idea. I have gained 21 pounds in 2 months I’m dizzy all the time and my mind just doesn’t work like it used to I have no energy for anything, it’s all I can do to just get up in the morning. I wasn’t like that before! Frankly I feel worse now then I did before I started taking these darn drugs! I was wondering if anyone knows of a good Holistic Practioner that can help me figure out what do naturaly and safely. I’ve never sought out one and I don’t know what to look for. Also if anyone has Bipolar and are being treated the natural way I’d love hear know what you are taking and how it’s working for you. Thanks, Anonymous


The psychiatrist writes:

“It would be akin to medical malpractice for a doc or nurse practicioner not to strongly recommend meds for you. The problem is that bipolar is a cyclical illness and sometimes when it comes back it can lead to serious life problems ( dropping out of school, relationship problems, incapacitating depression, loosing jobs, suicidal thoughts or attempts) These problems can lead to BIG TIME redirections in your life that you might not want, so it would be best to continue to work with your nurse practitioner to find something that works but isn’t intolerable to you. Maybe ask for a second opinion or a review of your case by a psychiatrist.

Bipolar disorder is a serious illness. Consider it like diabetes- it can kill you.

By the way, even with the best of treatment some folks have recurrences of the depression but these are fewer and milder than they would be if you went untreated ( or used only alternative treatments).

Just my 10 cents and, yup, I’m a psychiatrist. Good luck, JM”

I would argue it’s medical malpractice to assume anything based on such a brief description from the person. Playing doctor in a chat room is more egregious. And thinking your limited experience is all that pertains to someones reality is even a more gross ethical lapse. One paragraph and you’re willing to assume they are better off taking meds that are making them horribly ill? Dooming this person to believing that toxic medications are their only hope is the crime.

43 Responses
  1. 2009 July 9

    If you are taking the magical medication you won’t lose your job!!!”loosing jobs”
    I got to get me some of that magical chemical!

  2. 2009 July 9

    you know, that actually made me wonder if it was really him…that is my pet peeve spelling error…it bugs the hell out of me…and as ignorant and as much as an idiot he might be I found it hard to believe he would make such a typo?? I still have him on some bizarre pedestal…yeah, for that I AM SICK.

    that idea, though, that he wouldn’t make such an error, may truly be delusional! It seems to be the most common misspelled word out there…I’m terrible at typos so I don’t know why I let it bug me so much.

  3. 2009 July 9
    careandcompassion permalink

    The “best practice” category for treating psychiatric illness still remains meds – sadly. And no MD is going to risk a lawsuit from the family of a patient who went against that “best practice.” We’re a LONG way from decent education of the public, attorneys, and physicians about the definition of the word “best.”

  4. 2009 July 9

    Hi Gianna,
    I wouldn’t call that so much a spelling error as an incorrect use of the words lose and loose! I suppose when you lose your job you are also loose of it. :) Ya – I’ve noticed that dumb use too. Just shows that EVEN if you’re a dr. you can’t write properly. All those books and education – shot to ….
    God bless and hope you are doing well?!

  5. 2009 July 9

    that’s not true c and c…I’ve seen tons of MDs who choose not to use meds for so-called psychiatric illness. It does bring some risk but there are many doing it. Unfortunately there are not many who do it well…but that makes them no different than their counterparts.

    that’s not really true…they are good unless you’re already on a ton of meds…NO ONE knows shit about withdrawal…the info I’ve gotten by networking with peers on the net is by far the very best…

    but some MD’s do know what they’re doing in treating naturally if you get to them when you’re still drug naive…long term use of DRUGS MESS PEOPLE UP WAY MORE than any possible underlying problems.

  6. 2009 July 9

    Mark (not you, markps2, but my psychiatrist) used the same line, that I may not be able to go as far in life, that I may lose my job… and it haunts me to this day. Their fear-mongering and obvious dismissal of the actual patient experience is truly sickening. I really need to express myself about this, get it off my chest, but I’m not sure how, or even if it will produce the healing I am so desperately seeking.

    Mark is really brainwashed- but he’s young- 41- so maybe he’s a bit more open? But then why do I feel the need to tell him anything? That’s when the problems started- when I started telling him things.

    Because I don’t want ANYONE to go through what I went through. Much less what you went through, Gianna. And that’s the path he’s leading people down.

  7. 2009 July 9

    my doc was young too…we almost grew up together…I was 26 or 27 when I started seeing him and he was 30!!

    you know once many years ago before I moved here I told him I wanted off the drugs. He agreed…and I came off ONE PILL A DAY for about 7 days!! Ended up in gross rebound anxiety/terror hell…it was so damn ugly. I was curled up in the fetal position crying…feeling like a failure, because I didn’t know it was dangerous to do what was essentially a cold-turkey withdrawal…why should I forgive him that?? Why should I???

    that was CRIMINAL…I feel like I should remind him of that…what a fucking idiot.

  8. 2009 July 9

    I don’t think you should do anything except what feels right to you… You have a lot more to forgive of him than I do of Mark… It would be easier for us to swallow, I think, if they’d learned anything from our experiences, but no, they continue their usual modus operandi.. But for me, I cannot live with the anger and resentment I have… it eats at me… I am going to yoga tonight and I’m going to focus on positive images as visualization… I’m healing myself, just like you have, because the doctors won’t.

  9. 2009 July 9

    oh it’s just I know the truth is “he knows not what he did.”

    I need to forgive. I don’t want to be angry anymore…

    In any case, benzo withdrawal is notorious for making one rage and feel hostile…

    it’s commonly reported to pass rather quickly once one is free of the drug…

    so I just gotta hang on.

  10. 2009 July 9

    the word ‘forgive irks the crap out of me…..seems that most people telling you to simply ‘forgive and let go’ blah blah blah…want you to do that because it is easier for them to think about however you were wronged!

    I read a few quotes on forgiveness….not even sure who said them but i copied them in the last week…

    “Forgiveness is simply when you realize that you cannot change the past, and when you stop trying to get the person who wronged you to fix it, and maybe even when you fully give up on them ever understanding how exactly they have hurt [or betrayed or failed] you. It can be just reaching that point of letting go, as in not being invested in re-living it or trying to reason it out any longer, and maybe even encapsulating it in such a way that you can use that as a warning to others, ….yet never never forgetting and certainly making whatever changes you can to not letting it happen again. Forgiveness should clearly not condone what the person has done, and does not mean it evaporates and they are ok again to trust. That would be insane and yet people ask us to do that all the time.”

    “Living well is the best revenge and it takes less effort and is a better use of energy than expecting anyone to be sorry or fix wrongs.”

    Now, that said, please know that I TOTALLY understand rage at psch/medical incompetence and I totally err on the side of wanting revenge on those who are arrogant enough to experiment with the lives of people in crisis. Dirty Harry level stuff!!! but I try to temper that with zen ideas like the above statements….how bp of me huh? but it works fine for me intellectually and my mix has thus far kept me from harming anyone!

    How dare psych doctors and other assume that a life lived as a series of extreme ups and downs , and possibly one that takes many career turns, is LESSer than one that is ’stable’ and linear and predictable???
    I am no idiot, I am so glad you drs see me as ‘high-functioning’ in my bp-ness and I understand that bp might run my mental and physical and chemical engines too long and hard and I may wear out in various ways sooner than all those ’stable’ people and those like me who agreed to be drugged. Do NOT tell me my life choices are lesser than yours and that you have to fix me even if you take away most of me to do it.

    It is supremely annoying that any psych dr would go online to ‘advise’ people looking for a way out of that maze.

    I seriously seriously seriously believe that EACH psychiatrist should be required to take and then stop 3 months dose of any drug they presume to give me. I am only interested in psch workers who have BEEN THERE in any way and who can speak openly about their weaknesses. There should be a damn registry for that. I am sure MANY people would feel safer and travel far and wide to see those kind of doctors….

  11. 2009 July 9

    ps:

    and now is the part where I want ya all to go listen to Public Enemy’s ”Fight the Power!”
    i can hear it in my head now!!!!!!great song!

  12. 2009 July 9

    I had the fantasy of going to med school and being a “out” psychiatrist for about 5 minutes until I realized I would never be allowed to graduate as I’d refuse to practice as they told me too while in training.

    The thing is I want prescribing rights so I can help people come off meds safely…there is virtually no one out there who knows how to do it.

    and YEAH…I want to be a peer doctor…and say…hey, I’m just like you…aw well…fantasies are good for something, aren’t they?

  13. 2009 July 9

    Your honesty throughout this process helps me and I relate to it. And their anosognosia about their own profession is what makes this so damn frustrating. Mark has labeled me, traumatized me, and considered himself an expert on me, ignoring how I felt on the drugs and my own narrative of my life. And he will continue to do the same thing to countless others (as evidenced by my friend also turning out to be a patient of his). He just does not get it.

    The benzo withdrawal is the last little piece of hell. And I had already gone through benzo withdrawal as a kid, so it’s just another re-traumitizing experience. And meanwhile, Mark will continue to prescribe benzos as perfectly safe and “not addictive” and have all the status and prestige that comes from being an MD. It’s enough to make me want to leave the entire fucking planet.

  14. 2009 July 9

    oh…and I’m with you EF on the forgiveness stuff too…I don’t think forgetting or condoning has anything to do with forgiveness…it’s to heal ourselves…not the perpetrators.

  15. 2009 July 9

    Yeah, I have the fantasy of going to med school too, because that seems to be the only way to get Mark to take my opinions seriously. But that is a pretty stupid reason for going through Med school. And then I need to ask myself, why do I need his validation?

    Because he has so invalidated me, and I have let him.

    Anyway, EF, thanks for your quotes on forgiveness. I totally agree. I hope to get there someday with Mark, before this anger eats me alive.

  16. 2009 July 9

    kimbriel,
    remember you’re in benzo withdrawal too…your rage will most likely die down too.

  17. 2009 July 9

    hey, Bevy..

    I didn’t respond to your post…but I did absorb the good wishes…and it’s nice to see you…

    thanks very much!!

  18. 2009 July 9
    After permalink

    That diabetes metaphor makes me sick. I’ve heard it so often… when the school counselor was harassing my brother to get on meds for depression in High School– literally harassing, stopped him in the hall on the way to class– she used the same thing. “If you were diabetic, wouldn’t you take insulin?” To which my brother calmly replied no, he would not. Which should have shut her up, but she went on, told him he was ”pigheaded.” And he held his ground and grew up to be healthiest of any of us as far as I know, not like me; I got abused with psych meds and they made me so sick…

    Sorry, don’t mean to be so angry all over your blog like this; that metaphor just always hits a nerve. I happen to be having a very bad withdrawal symptom day myself.

    Anyway, it’s remarkable how you’re handling seeing something you think was from your ex-pdoc. I once saw something online written by my pediatric pdoc and it made me have a panic attack just reading it.

    By the way, have you read any of Peter Breggin’s works on Intoxication Anosognosia from psych meds? He’s an expert on how TAKING psych meds can severely deteriorate your mind, disable you, and also give you anosognosia about your condition, same as how alcohol can leave you impaired but not knowing you’re impaired. It sounds like the opposite of what your pdoc there is saying. I actually wrote a bioethics paper on it once… it’s interesting but very frightening.

  19. 2009 July 9

    Update: my research obsessed husband just discovered by researching the board this post came from that this is not my doctor. This particular “JM” is a woman. My doctor is a man. Nonetheless, this post has provoked a most interesting comment thread. So I will leave it unchanged (except I put this note at the beginning of the post)

  20. 2009 July 9

    yes, After, we had a conversation about what Breggin calls “medication spellbinding” on the social network that accompanies this blog…

    we were wondering is it really the drugs or the unhealthy dose of brainwashing we get with the drugs that cause the spellbinding?? I suspect it’s the methodical undermining of our trust in our own experience manipulated by the people “caring” for us rather than the drugs.

  21. 2009 July 9

    I need to comment on forgiveness. You do not forgive to help the other person, you forgive to help yourself. We hang onto and gnaw on each negative thought, and that in itself causes us to have “symptoms”. Someone once said, “Holding onto resentment is like repeatedly drinking poison and expecting someone else to die from it.”

    You forgive yourself for holding onto the thought, and dismiss it and all the triggers you’ve attached to it. You’d be amazed h0w much energy this frees up.

  22. 2009 July 9

    oh, I CAN imagine…I can feel just how much the anger stifles me…that’s why I’m a big believer in letting go of the rage…I get attacked rountinely by people for sharing my ideas of forgiveness and the necessity of healing ourselves by not letting the anger get so toxic…Buddhists do call anger a poison, just as you suggest Moss…

    the thing is I think anger…as a momentary emotion that arises and passes in response to appropriate stimuli in the moment is healthy and normal…we need anger…it’s when it gets all bottled up and stymied inside us that it’s toxic.

  23. 2009 July 9
    Joan permalink

    My own journey regarding forgiveness came down to a decision that since I am only human, I cannot hope to judge those who hurt me in the most just way, so I wound up just turning it over–I’m not an atheist–I do believe that there is some power greater than me which hopefully has greater wisdom than I do. Giving it up freed me from a lot of anger–not my job, not my problem!!

    I struggled with it for a really long time though–and can certainly understand that my answer doesn’t fit for everyone else. My only advice on it is to remember that the whole forgiving thing really has nothing to do with the person you have a problem with–it’s about freeing oneself, IMHO. The hell with the rest of them. But along with that comes a strong resistance (for me) to ever letting anyone have that kind of power over me again!!!

    And as far as these jerks giving the “oh you’ll lose your job, your friends, your family if you don’t swallow the pills I want you to take”, my own experience is that, although it took some time, I’m actually in a better place on all counts without the drugs. My mind is clearer, my body healthier, and I’ve discovered that I’ve gained a lot of respect from people who really want to see the system change-in fact I’m starting a new job in a couple of weeks, doing advocacy with people who are still stuck–I never would have imagined 20 years ago when I was still in the thrall of the shrinks (and living in the box they created for me) that I could wind up being a respected citizen just by telling them all to go to hell!!

    I sometimes wonder if they teach a class in medical school called The God Complex–not to warn them against it but to instill it in them. Especially the shrinks!! I’ve really only known one who was different. He was my very last shrink. (He had the BEST troll collection on earth I’m betting you’ll all understand why that attracted me:) This guy had had more than his own share of struggles in the world and maybe that’s why he tried so hard to relate to his patients as people rather than as diagnoses. His philosophy has always been that less is best. He helped me to begin to get off the cocktail I was on. He’s working at the VA now and I’m glad that our soldiers will have him to come back to.

    But truly, the more I get into this whole movement, the more I realize that it truly is a civil rights movement–a movement where we are standing up and saying NO MORE!!!! We need/want control over our own lives and destinies!! I hear so many awful stories about the harm these idiots are doing with their diplomas that make them feel like gods!!

    The newest “antipsychotics” and “mood stabalizers” are simply awful!!! They cause huge and fast weight gain which puts people in great danger of developing diabetes!! I’ve seen stats–on average those who take these drugs live 25 years less than people who don’t take them. Of course I am VEHEMENTLY pro-choice–but only when people are given the REAL scoop on what taking the drugs can mean for them. My husband (also a psychiatric survivor) adds that the stigma and loneliness alone are taking years off our lives.

    Gianna, you are my inspiration (and not only mine!!)–I hope that even on your worst days you know that some place inside you. Thanks to your example I am now down to 2 mg a day of Klonipin (from 5!!!!!!!!) and my therapist (a psychologist who also hates what those drugs they keep trying to push on us) says she thinks I can eventually be off it completely and that I can probably get myself down to a minimal dose of Trazadone at the very least.

    OK, I’m done holding forth. Sorry to go on so long–very sore subject for me, I’m afraid. Hope all are doing well. The sun is finally shining here after weeks of rain, so it’s hard not to feel kind of good about life in general. Take gentle care, dear Gianna. You will feel better!!

  24. 2009 July 9

    Hi Gianna!
    Just came to say hello!
    It’s amazing that we cannot write the name of these doctors.
    Love,
    Ana

  25. 2009 July 9

    Joan,
    thanks for your moving thoughts and commentary…

    I’m pooped but wanted to let you know I appreciate you too!

  26. 2009 July 9

    Ana,
    I do have the name of the doc who screamed at me in the hospital and told me that if I didn’t take meds for the rest of my life I would die name on this blog…I felt his out of control behavior deserved being called out…but, yeah, in general it seems we don’t use these docs names…

    This guy meant well and no matter how angry I need to feel before I let go I don’t actually want to hurt him…

    it would be nice if he could say he was sorry though. I don’t know why that seems impossible for him…he’s written to me by email and he knows my blog but has not accepted any responsibility…that truly is disappointing…

    I sometimes wonder if he is afraid that if he says he’s sorry it could be used against him in court…

    the thing is the statute of limitations has run out…I couldn’t sue him if I wanted to…

  27. 2009 July 9
    Doe permalink

    Ugh. How many of us have heard those same words? Makes me sick.

    EM: I am a huge fan of Public Enemy! Maybe we should change the lyrics to Black Steel: “I got a letter from Big Pharma…the other day..I opened and read it–it said they were SUCKERS! They wanted me to take this drug, or whatever, picture me givin’ a damn…I said NEVER”.

    Well…not nearly as great as the original lyrics…but…I had to try it.

  28. 2009 July 9

    Yeah… same here… as I’ve said before, there should be a yelp.com website for psychiatric survivors where we can share our experiences and warn others. For me, Mark didn’t screw me up that much, although he would’ve, if I’d given him the chance. But Ana, I recently found out he’d also dx’ed and labeled a friend of mine and put him on some toxic crap that was making him feel bad, and believe me, I was not silent then.

  29. 2009 July 9
    Doe permalink

    Joan–I loved your inspiring post….!

  30. 2009 July 9

    After, did you read what I posted on the IP website about the annoying diabetes analogy?? Here it is, if you didn’t:

    TO Psychiatrists Everywhere:

    “Stop the crap analogy about diabetes. Diabetics do not make insulin. There is a scientific, measurable lack of a NATURAL hormone in their bodies. They take insulin through injection to make up for the inability to make insulin. There has been nothing measurable found missing from my brain, and even if there was, it wouldn’t be Seroquel or Abilify or Zyprexa.”

  31. 2009 July 9

    I am both an MD and a psych patient. I am not a psychiatrist, though recently I tried to get accepted to training programs and was rejected–I suspect because I was honest about my mental illness (my grades and academic background are very strong). In preparation for what I had hoped would be a career in mental health, I read a number of psychiatry textbooks, and I attended several professional conferences. I continue to keep up (more or less) with the most important ‘advances’ in the field. So hopefully I am in a good position to comment on this kind of issue.

    The side effects I’ve suffered have devastated my self-esteem. Yet the whole time I was on the worst-offending drugs, my moods and mental health were terrible. I complained to the psychiatrist about the side effects and lack of progress, and told her I wanted to cut back on the medications. She would say, “well, what drug do you think you can stop?” I’d go through my suggestions, and each time she would shake her head, “no, no, stopping that would be a bad idea.”

    At the time I still bought into the medical model, and I trusted her. Someday I’ll get the courage to tell the world (on my blog) exactly what these drugs have done to me. Needless to say, I am furious. But there is really no single person to blame.

    She was doing what she was trained to do. By merely walking in her door I assented to the premise that drugs would solve my problems. Since I had just been discharged from the second psych ward in a month, I saw no choice but to put myself in her hands. For her part, she followed her training and the ’standard of practice’. I do believe she did what she thought would help me.

    The ‘drug companies’ are only part of the problem. Unbridled profit-taking drives this whole country, and psychiatric drugs are just one aspect of the ill effects. It is probably not realistic to expect the pharmaceutical industry to change its practices for ‘mere’ ethical reasons; they are all about the bottom line. The blame probably can be most squarely placed on the regulatory agencies, who should be policing the system. Instead, they approve drugs on the flimsiest evidence collected over the shortest imaginable time frames (e.g., six weeks!).

    Awareness of the problem is the first step. It is heartening to read so many people with similar feelings, even though it is awful to know that so many others have been harmed. These drugs are poison, and they don’t even work very well.

    The next step is action, and I want to do something if I can. I welcome any suggestions about how I might contribute to a fight against these prescribing practices. I do think my background would be helpful, but I am just getting started and don’t really know where to turn.

    It is nice hearing all of you; I feel less alone.

    ps In reference to one of Joan’s comments: I do have a diploma, but I personally don’t feel like a god. I’m not sure how many psychiatrists think of themselves that way; many are just trying to do a difficult job, limited by narrowly focused training, and armed only with an arsenal of ineffective & toxic medications. The answer is not to change (or accuse) psychiatrists so much as to educate ourselves and our brethren so that we can make our own medication decisions.

  32. 2009 July 9

    my commenting subscription is not working right so I’m writing this just to let others know that WillSpirit left a comment since many might be interested.

    (apparently the only comments people get in their email are mine)

    thanks Will for stopping by.

  33. 2009 July 9

    Thank you WillSpirit for your perspective. I think the biggest discrimination against the labeled “mentally ill” happens within the so-called mental health professions.

    I especially relate to this part: “These drugs are poison, and they don’t even work very well.”

    That is the whole point. I might have been willing to withstand all the crappy side effects, if they’d helped my mood one bit, but they made things WORSE. And because the general public doesn’t understand that, I see growing evidence for the support of forced drugging. Awareness is great, but what is this leading to? How can we turn our awareness into action, into change?

  34. 2009 July 10

    WillSpirit said, “She was doing what she was trained to do.”

    Are not doctors trained to analyze a situation? Don’t they know chemistry? Are we not paying them to use their own brains to determine if what the drug reps are selling them really does make sense?

    This is what my doctor did. He started looking at the chemical properties of the medicines and asked himself why those drygs would or would not work and what effects they would have.

  35. 2009 July 10
    Shelby permalink

    I would love to see a website that outed psychiatrists and we could leave our comments describing the treatment we got.

    Mine was so nice, went to premiere med school and came highly recommended. He smiled every time he handed me the growing stack of prescriptions. How in the world did this man never hear from another client about “side effects”.
    That I don’t get. I was told the drugs in no way could cause them.

    Of course when I did confront him about it all he got pretty hysterical.He no longer was so nice.

    I truly hope he has learned some lesson about giving out meds like candy but from what I hear he hasn’t.

  36. 2009 July 10
    Jeanne Allyn permalink

    “By merely walking in her door I assented to the premise that drugs would solve my problems”

    This is the issue that hangs me up the most. I returned again and again to the people who were CAUSING the problem for relief of the problem. I kept metaphorically replicating my family’s incest assaults on me. I needed love and affection in order to survive and so I feel responsible for “my part” in the hideous charade of love my family offered.

    My BODY was suffering due to 16 years of imprisonment, torture & rape, so with my assent the docs attacked my BODY in order to force it to behave. The larger family & society could not stop (or even acknowledge) the assaults. so they tried to change my BODY. If the shoe doesn’t fit, change the foot. I had been heavily conditioned to experience myself as an object that existed for the use of the powerful, so these “medical interventions” seemed like a logical choice.

    I’m struggling with the idea that there really is no “them” out there. There’s no cabal that is orchestrating human misery. There is no escape from suffering. All my escape efforts lead me further into the trap.

    But, then , I AM going thru neurontin (gabapentin) withdrawal and this is the same process as benzo withdrawal, since it affects the same brain pathways. In a few days I will be audaciously hopeful again and proud of my efforts to care for myself.

  37. 2009 July 10

    Are not doctors trained to analyze a situation? Don’t they know chemistry?

    naturalgal…that is a good question, but the sad reality is most docs are NOT scientists…they’re just good at memorizing and pretty average people in general. I have a few of them in the family…

    the unusual docs do what you’re saying, but unfortunately they’re in a minority…

  38. 2009 July 10

    Shelby there are website where you can rate doctors…all docs from all disciplines…just google “rate doctors.” the thing is there are a ton of these sites and I’m not sure how much they are used.

  39. 2009 July 10

    I’m struggling with the idea that there really is no ā€œthemā€ out there. There’s no cabal that is orchestrating human misery. There is no escape from suffering. All my escape efforts lead me further into the trap.

    I do believe there is no “them” but we need to process what our reality seems in this moment to get there. All human beings, you and me too, have the capacity to be good, bad, loving and hateful…

    we also have the right to heal in our own time so it’s okay to struggle and to feel the pain and anger too.

  40. 2009 July 10

    I’m a long time anxiety disorder affected man, and meds can severely deteriorate your mind.
    Henri.

  41. 2009 July 11

    On eof the goals that I have for the benzodiazepine epidemic in the U.S. is to get legislation passed to require “informed consent” before beznos are prescribed or renewed.

    The doctors would be required to explain the following and get consent from their patients:

    1. Benzodiazepines are intended for short-term use only, no more than 6 weeks.

    2. Benzodiazepines are addictive.

    3. Definition and implications of tolerance.

    4. Benzos need to be withdrawn slowly at a rate no faster than 10% ever 7-14 days.

    I understand this is a huge task. But if I had known the above information, I never would have taken my first one.

    Keep up the good work, Gianna! Hope you are feeling better every day!

    Chase
    stopbenzos.com

  42. 2009 July 11

    Benzos are the tip of the iceberg…we need legislation on all the psychotropic drugs…if you’re really pursuing this seriously please consider including more comprehensive legislation that includes all psychotropics…

    we are all in this together. we divide ourselves by the class of drug we’re on at our peril. we are much stronger if all of us harmed by all the many different classes of psychotropics come together.

    I suggest networking with others harmed by drugs other than just benzos.

    thanks for your work. if we all do our part we will indeed effect change.

  43. 2009 July 12

    So. This doctor claims if you don’t go on the meds, this will happen: “dropping out of school, relationship problem, incapacitating depression, loosing jobs, suicidal thoughts or attempts. These problems can lead to BIG TIME redirections in your life that you might not want.”

    Uhm. Those things happened to me AFTER I started Paxil, and Paxil was the gateway drug to ever more harmful antipsychotics that they convinced me I would need to be on for life.

    Seriously. Less than a year on Paxil, I moved across the country with someone I had met only five months before, not caring that I was only a few credits away from completing my BA. (I had always been academically driven!) I lost successive jobs, first on Paxil because of the way it made me behave at work (magnifying hypoglycemic mood swings—hypoglycemia is the primary condition that should have been diagnosed and treated), later on Seroquel (et al) because of the way it physically incapacitated me. I alienated friends, contributed to the collapse of my relationship with the guy I moved with (Paxil’s libido-suppressing side effect was a big contributer too, actually), distanced myself from family in the last years of my father’s life, was increasingly neurotic and anxious, had panic attacks, severe depression and suicidal ideation, and recognized that I was not in an appropriate state of mind to pursue any new romantic relationships. I felt completely hopeless, isolated, a freak, like my life was over.

    This all happened as a direct result of going on these drugs that this asinine doctor has counselled this person to go on so as to avoid all that!!! (In fairness, I should add that the stigma of psychiatric diagnosis was also heavily responsible for my self-alienation/isolation.)

    One thing though, I’m grateful for the “BIG TIME redirection” that moving cities provided. Thanks, Paxil?

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